Andrew Huberman:心流不等于学习，真正改变大脑的是另一件事

真正尝试做一件新事物时，因犯错而产生的那种焦躁感，恰恰会触发神经可塑性与学习。
这段内容节选自最新一期The Joe Rogan Experience。在节目里，我们讨论了，从生物学层面来说，为什么做困难的事，会让其他困难的事变得更容易，也会让你更懂得珍惜，并最终带来一种内在的平静感。
我们还聊到，在学习过程中，因为犯错而产生一定程度的挫败感，其实是形成稳定学习效果的一个必要组成部分。
大多数人一感到这种焦躁，就会本能地退缩。
但实际上，这种感觉正反映了神经调节物质的释放，而这些物质会告诉你的大脑：现在需要改变神经连接了。
理解这一点，可以帮助你更快地学会任何东西。
你需要学会识别这种焦躁感，并明白在学习语境下，它其实是一件好事。你当然不希望自己压力过大，但你需要有一定程度的焦躁，同时把注意力集中在眼前的任务上。
而且，你需要在真正尝试的过程中不断犯错。
别再想着在“心流状态“里学习了。
心流中没有学习，学习中也没有心流。
心流，只是你已经会做的事情的一种表现形式。
我们的讨论还涉及了从不同角度看心理健康、为什么我花了 8 年时间、完整重写了 4 次，最终才出版《Protocols》这本书，以及很多其他话题。
谢谢Joe邀请我参加节目，也谢谢你的提问、这次对谈，以及这些年来一直以来的支持。
也感谢Young Jamie和整个团队，你们共同成就了今天的JRE。真的非常感激。
感谢大家对科学的关注！
THE AGITATION FROM ERRORS THAT ACCOMPANIES YOUR GENUINE ATTEMPTS TO DO SOMETHING NEW ARE WHAT TRIGGER NEUROPLASTICITY & LEARNING •

Excerpt from The Joe Rogan Experience podcast out now Spotify Podcasts where we discussed how (and why, at a biological level) doing hard things makes doing other hard things feel easier, let’s you access more appreciation and leads to a sense of peace.

We also discussed how some degree of frustration from making errors while trying to learn is a *necessary* component of stable learning.

Most people back away from that agitation. But it literally reflects the release of neuromodulators that tell your brain connections to change.

Understanding this fact can help you learn anything faster. Recognize what the agitation is and that, in the context of learning, it’s a good thing. You don’t want to be overly stressed, but you need to be agitated and focused on the task at hand. And making errors through genuine attempts.

Forget learning in a flow state. There is no learning in flow and there is no flow in learning. Flow is the expression of what you already can do.

Our discussion also covered mental health from different perspectives, why it took me eight years and four complete rewrites before finally releasing my book Protocols, and much more.

Thank you for your interest in science!